022: "Its very important to bet on your potential." Human resources, military spouse career resources, and the imposter syndrome with Tia Prevo

Jen Amos 0:00

Welcome, and thanks for joining us for another episode of holding down the fort, a podcast show where we put military spouses and children's needs front and center so that they can make informed decisions together as a family. Because let's face it, we know who's really holding down the fort. I'm Jenny most a veteran spouse and Goldstar daughter, and your host for today's show. Let's get started.

All right, hi everyone. Jen amo is here with holding down the fort podcast show. And I'm excited because every time I get to do another episode, it means I get to interview another incredible individual in our military community. So let me introduce you all to Tia. Primo. Tia is a military spouse, HR professional and podcast contributor. She runs the male spouse talent community that helps provide resources for spouses looking to continue their careers while supporting their service member and military mission. Tia. Welcome to the show.

Speaker 1 1:08

Thanks for having me, Jen. It's so great to always talk to you. I loved how our friendship has flooded and just how you evolved in being part of a jury.

Jen Amos 1:18

Oh, thank you. I like how you say evolve. Because I feel like since I really kind of jumped back into the military community. In the recent years, I have been trying to find my voice and all this. And I feel like since since I had started this podcast, it's helping me get so much closer to, you know, finding my identity, and the way that I can contribute to the overall military community, particularly military families and military spouses. So thanks for saying that.

Speaker 1 1:50

Every time you're like, Hey, I've new Instagram page. I'm like, Oh, my gosh, what are you doing now? It's so great.

Speaker 2 1:57

Yeah, I like to do, I like to start up a lot of things at once, and manage a lot of things. And I was just thinking about that the other day, because it's just how I express my creativity. I have been told in the past. I mean, I'm sure many of us have been told this. But you know, we're I think society tells us that we need to stick with one thing or do one thing or be good at one thing. And I don't know if it's just because I was raised as a military child, that, you know, I didn't stay in one place for very long. And that kind of just like, trickled into everything in my life where I just can't stick to one thing for too long. But if I do have anything to blame, my eclectic personality and just, you know, wanting to do more than one thing at once, then I'll blame it to my military upbringing.

Speaker 1 2:44

That's the nature of a middle kid. Right? You get moved around a lot. So you learn how to do that very easily.

Jen Amos 2:50

Yes, exactly. I'm still trying to find the right verbiage to say that, like I'm not committal, you know, like, I feel like there's a more positive way to say that. But I'm so I'm still trying to figure that out as well. So I think a eclectic is the best way to describe. But yeah, I want to thank you, Tia for just following my own journey as well. And everything it means a lot to me.

Speaker 1 3:10

Now, no doubt, I think that, you know, one of the things that comes with that kind of eclectic nature is that you bounce around a little bit, because there is a sense of like, I'm not sure what I'm good at. But I'm gonna try this, at least I have a few irons in the fire. So if this doesn't work out, I always have something else that can jump to aim. Whatever lessons I've learned from that other thing, I could move on to something else. So I think it's, it's really not a bad place to be. And we do kind of put boxes around people and society and say, Don't do that.

Jen Amos 3:44

Yeah, definitely. And one thing that I've learned, and I was just telling Scott this yesterday is that I like having a lot of things, because collectively, it all helps me how like, I have all these side projects, but it's the side projects that teach me all these valuable lessons that I could apply to like my main projects or like my main business. So yeah, anyway, I feel like I'm trying to defend myself. And I'm really not like, This is who I am. And I appreciate you highlighting the fact that I do a lot of things. And I'm very proud of it. How about that?

Unknown Speaker 4:15

Oh, that's it.

Speaker 2 4:19

Thanks to you, I really appreciate that. Well, why don't we share? How did you hear about the podcast? I know this is already an obvious question, because I think our listeners have an idea that we already know each other. But tell us how did you hear about the podcast and more importantly, what inspired you to be on the show?

Speaker 1 4:34

So we know each other from previous ventures that we've been a part of with us fat wealth, and for a while I was working with Scott we were doing lives and that's kind of how our relationship started is that you would help coordinate with Scott to do these lives on my page for military spouses, educating them about financial wealth and financial stability and Creating a legacy. And so that's where we connected. But then I had written an article for wives of the Air Force. And it was about how military spouses like, we feel that, you know, once we get a job, we have to latch on to that job. And if we hate the job, we still have to work it. And I really wanted to explain that that doesn't serve you just because you feel like you have to do something. If you hate your job, you hate your job, we should probably go find something else and utilize your time better. And I had been waiting for a while for that to get published, and I wasn't sure when it was going to happen. And then you messaged me and said, Hey, I saw your article. Why is it the Air Force, I would love for you to be on the show. And it was cute, because I loved the way that you really took that business standpoint, even though we already had a relationship, it could have been very casual, you could have just been a hate to be on the podcast with me. But it made me feel good. Because one, it alerted me to the article being live. And then to it was just nice to have that invite that formal invite and be like, oh, like somebody else sees the work that I'm doing and values it and thinks it would be great to share their podcasts which was holding down the fort. So that's how I heard about the podcast and how I I wanted to be on the show.

Speaker 2 6:18

Yeah, absolutely. I knew one way or another, you were going to end up on the show that having your article published on wives of the Air Force blog site, which we actually recently released an episode from them. So if anyone is actually let me say, give me one second, I'm gonna see which episode it is in case anyone wants to learn about them. So what TIA is referring to case our listeners are wondering is we actually I actually had the opportunity to speak with Jen and cursed from wives of the Air Force blog. And so if you want to learn more about what they're up to check out Episode 17, which is titled we are so much more than just military spouses. We are men and women with life goals. So really, really awesome episode, hearing them tag teaming. You know, normally this show is done with, you know, just one guest. They're not sisters, but they're like sisters, they met because of their husbands. And you know, they were inspired to put together this blog to build a community of other wives of the Air Force. And so really awesome. And yeah, not that I was trying to trying to find an excuse to get you on. But definitely having your article being published on their website was a catalyst for me to be like, do you gotta be on here? You gotta be on the show with me. So yeah, I'm glad that happened the way that it did, so that we can have this conversation today.

Speaker 1 7:30

Yeah, no, definitely. And that blog is not just for Airforce wives. It just happens to be that I'm an Air Force wife and I happen to be on the blog. So anybody who's interested, there's great career wise, there's great advice about because I recently became a mom, and another one is pregnant currently about to become a mom. So definitely have the evolution. There's things about exercise, it's just a great blog, if you're looking for some additional resources and support.

Jen Amos 7:58

Yeah, one thing that I think is very awesome on their end, is that they created a survivor's guide for bases that they would get stationed at. And so they give those tips on, like, what to look out for, and you know, what resources are available there, and some tips on how to like, you know, get situated, and that and the base. And so I think that's what that's really cool. And like you said, a resource for, you know, not just wives of the Air Force anymore, but they're looking to expand. So I think that's really awesome to hear those news. I hear that kind of news. And it's my hope to bring them back on the show in the future, again, because they're doing a lot of good things out there for the military community.

Unknown Speaker 8:38

I would agree. Like I definitely agree with that.

Jen Amos 8:41

Yeah. Well, Tia, bringing it back to you, for people that are getting to know you for the first time, why don't you share a little bit about your life today, particularly what keeps you excited and busy about life nowadays?

Speaker 1 8:54

So for me, one of the things is I am an HR professional by trade. So if you heard me on any other podcast, you would know that by now, but for the people that are newer and getting introduced to me, my passion has been human resources. And I fell into it as a recruiter and have done every aspect of HR and back to being a manager over several recruiters. So my day to day job, that's what I do. But for the, you know, the fun side, and the part that's really my passion project is dependent that work and it's a military talent community. And what that really ultimately means is I give out resources or I find resources for military spouses that are looking to continue their careers. And that could be through entrepreneurship, volunteerism, it could be in traditional careers remote work, but really what I'm doing is leveraging networking to make sure that I'm feeding that information back into our military spouse community. It's super important to me that resources are timely and I feel like It's just really hard for the government to be able to do that for us, they do have great avenues and resources available, it's important to have timely resources. And I think the government has great resources available to us. But the timeliness of how and how those resources get to us is just not as efficient as it could be. And that's really the goal of dependent dot work is to help bridge that gap.

Jen Amos: 10:24

That's awesome. So how do you find like, how do you scout for these resources that you consider like they have to be timely, and they have to be put out there right now.

: 10:33

So a lot of it is I can use resources like US Chamber of Commerce has military spouse, professional network, which I always suggest people join, if you're not able to attend an in person networking event, they have a virtual network that you can be a part of, and there's a lot of great resources just come through that funnel. But that's very, that's government based. So you can see articles research, and also the professionals that are a part of that group that kind of sponsor, the different networking groups, they get a lot of resources and push them through. So that's one of the ways that I say LinkedIn from that perspective, because I can take those resources and push them out to the social channels, which I feel like sometimes people aren't, though all the way connected through. And this is where LinkedIn comes in. LinkedIn is another great resource to finding information about what's happening in the military, community, military and unemployment spaces, what other military entrepreneurs are doing to see what resources they're taking advantage of. Google has great resources that are happening grow with Google as a big right now, the US Chamber of Commerce did a study with Google to see what you need as military spouses to continue to be successful either in traditional careers or as an entrepreneur, and whether that's, you need resources from a funding perspective, or do you just need resources that understanding how to build a business, from accounting to, hey, I'm not an IT person. So I don't even know what technical resources I have. I'm using all my kind of avenues from a recruiting standpoint, places I would look to dig for jobs as a recruiter to be able to push those out as resources to military spouses.

Jen Amos: 12:22

That is really awesome. And how long have you had dependent work going for a while? Because I think I saw you last year, but how long has it been now?

: 12:30

It's about a year and a half. So last Labor Day I started. So you're a couple months that I officially launched. But I've always been thinking about how do I use my skill set to support our community. Because I was around both spectrum that was around military spouses who didn't have an identity they didn't understand. And really what they did is they said, You know what, I'm gonna just not just because being a military spouse and a stay at home mom was a very important job. But it was something they they fell into more than it was something they chose, rather than I was around women that were very career driven, very professional in nature, who were as this word, I just learned geo batching, which means they would stay behind while their spouse forges on with the mission. So whether that's their spouse is working on another base on a deployment on a remote, whatever that was, but they were not going to be moving. Obviously, with the deployment, you can't move with your spouse. But with the remotes, there are options sometimes to be able to move, they would stay behind because they wanted to be able to continue their career. And a lot of our bases are not in areas that allow for career continuity. And so I was like, I have this great gift, right? I like I said, I fell into HR, I fell under staffing, but I have a niche in it. And I'm good at it. I'm gonna toot my own horn about that. And so how do I take that resource that I have and be able to push it out and help and encourage others?

Jen Amos: 14:08

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Jen Amos: 15:37

That's, I think that's so awesome that you're doing that. So it sounds like you have the opportunity to have the job that you're in currently, do you have any worries of possibly PCs? Seeing or, you know, moving to another place? I guess that what I'm trying to ask is like, How comfortable do you feel in your current circumstances right now with your job.

: 15:57

So if we are to get orders, and I determined that I'm leaving with my husband, then I will no longer be able to keep this position, this position that I'm in is based out of Las Vegas. And it will require that we here in Las Vegas, it's not a remote role. But I feel that I have great tools to be able to continue to have career continuity after I leave. But I still have that same worry that everybody does when they're in a job that they really enjoy. And then we're getting to the point where at some point, we are going to get orders. It's creeping up, we've been here for three years, my husband may get promoted in, you know, January, February time period with that, the higher up he gets less positions there are the more likelihood for PCs, what are we gonna do? Or maybe he goes on a remote? Do I stay here? Do I go home to be closer to family? I don't know. So I still have those same worries. And I still look at it as what am I going to do? Even though I think I'm good enough? Am I good enough to be able to obtain a job after I leave here? So I still have that impostor syndrome that creeps in on me and says, Hey, Louis, this is the message, I'm going to take precedence over what you're doing currently. And what are you going to do? doing what you're doing? Do you? Do you have the ability to Hey, push dependent that work further to where that becomes your primary. And, and not being a traditional working environment, but being in this entrepreneur space? And I just don't know, but I'm willing to take that chance. And that's why I'm cultivating the relationships and the networks that I'm doing right now to be on either side of that bridge, whether that's traditional employment or entrepreneurial.

Jen Amos: 17:48

Yeah. Speaking of which, let's go ahead and talk about our educational topic today, which you've already hinted at, which is the imposter syndrome as a military spouse. Can you elaborate on how you define imposter syndrome? And how it affects your life as a military spouse?

: 18:08

Yeah, definitely, I probably feel impostor syndrome several times a day. And what impostor syndrome is, is it's either that self doubt, the insecurity, or just that overwhelming feeling of like, I'm not good enough. But it tends to hit people that are good enough. So it tends to hit people that have been successful at things that have accomplished great goals. And sometimes it usually tends to hit after they've accomplished a great goal. So it can be like, I, you know, have done several podcasts. And then I'm getting ready to go on this podcast with Jen. And I'm thinking, Oh, my gosh, why am I doing this? How can I say that I'm a podcast contributor, I've only did a couple podcasts. But when I look back at it, and I listened to the podcast I've done and key takeaways for people. And I've been able to influence people, even if that's one person I've touched. So that impostor syndrome will help pull you down a little bit, it gives you that, like, Hey, maybe I shouldn't, maybe I should call Jen up and just tell her, Hey, let's reschedule or I'm not ready to do it. When I really am. And so the way to overcome that is by doing things like putting action in the motion that I thought was really good. I was looking at this topic and researching it is that minorities tend to be impacted by this the most. And I thought it was great because me and Jen Talk about this kind of topic as being both color. And females. We have some great conversations about how it feels and how to overcome some of our self doubt from that perspective. And I was like, will totally be able to talk about this impostor syndrome and probably go on a tangent because we're probably the ones that are impacted the most. Oh man, for military spouses is definitely In the area from when we talked about PCI saying and making that move and what my identity should be, should I have an independent identity, or should I just take on this military spouse identity, which a lot of people only see as a dependent, and that means you take care of the family. And that's your only part of the mission. And that's not it. But you can still be independent, and have a thriving business or thrive as a volunteer, because we have people like Marla Batista that's in our community, that is an amazing volunteer advocate, who's done great work for homeless veterans, and has been able to showcase how you know helping from a nonprofit standpoint, makes such an impact to our community. So I think that there's definitely ways to have an identity and be a military spouse and not let that imposter syndrome pull you down.

Jen Amos: 20:54

You said so many amazing things. Just now, one of the initial things I feel compelled to talking about is that, you know, I don't have the stats myself. But, you know, as a minority myself, I definitely know what you're talking about, with the imposter syndrome. Tia. And you know, I think culturally like, if you were to look at this is like, completely off topic, but not really, because I know there are a big there's a big Filipino community in the military. Actually, a lot of us, such as myself, a lot of our parents left the Philippines, thanks to the military. And I was born as an American. So. So anyway, so this is this is still relevant for the show to talk about those things. But yeah, you know, just just culturally, like I had always been, like, I had been under the impression that I am supposed to be the matriarch of my family, or, you know, be that quiet, obedient girl. And, you know, the fact that I do podcast shows, and I'm a pretty outspoken person kind of goes against, like, what, ideally, you know, the the Filipina is supposed to be, and, you know, being in the position that I'm in, like I said, it's like, I remember how hard the impostor syndrome had affected me, I actually found an old post that I put out there back in 2016, when I was celebrating my three year anniversary with my online marketing business at the time. And I remember who I was at that time that was that, yeah, that was a couple years ago. But I remember I was struggling with the imposter syndrome, because I felt like, you know, I didn't feel like I was serving my clients to the best of my ability. I felt like I was really literally just making stuff up as I go, like the services that it was offering. But anyway, long story short, you mentioned some tips on how to overcome the imposter syndrome, which is, you know, really just doing stuff, right? The way that I have overcome the imposter syndrome, because I get like a little ounce of it every now and then. But the way that I've overcome it, like for the most part is, I just think to myself that, well, there's a couple things that I think but ultimately, I feel that I am part of a greater mission, that I don't know what the master plan is to, but I know that I'm part of something greater. And all I have to do is just be myself. And all I have to do is just open my mouth and speak my mind and speak my thoughts. And it just like what you said to if if it resonates with just one person, then I've done something good, you know, and it's really cool, because, you know, having started this podcast show back in the summer, I definitely had the imposter syndrome, because initially, we wanted to speak directly to military spouses. Well, I don't really consider myself a military spouse, I consider myself a Goldstar daughter, first and foremost, I had lost my dad when he was serving in the Navy back in the 1990s. And then I only got back in, you know, 20 plus years later as a veteran spouse when I met my husband. And so when I first started the show, and this is part of why I mentioned early on that I was trying to find my voice was kind of like, where do I fit in all of this, because, you know, I was a Goldstar daughter 20 plus years ago, I'm a veteran spouse today, and I'm trying to speak to military families. Like we're like, I always speak to them, you know, like, how do I like, like, I don't know what type of expertise that I have. But either way, it's this is why I like to bring on guests on the show. Because it's people like you to who can can speak to the community, and we can speak to them together. And I'm really more of a student than anything else. And so I've been learning a lot from guests on our show and even just listening to you talk so so thanks for that. Yeah,

: 24:24

not a problem. I mean, we experience life through so many different lenses. Right. And so, I think that for you, you know, you've had this very hard beginning, you know, with losing your dad so early in your childhood, and then evolving into you end up you marry somebody who's a veteran of the military, right, like so it had this impact on you that it was there were things about the military that you still love, even though you've may have hated the military for taking your dad, right. So then it's like, then you fall back into it and you go, I want to support it, whatever I can do to support it, because there is a way that I can still see like what my mom went through. And you know what we went through as milk kids. And now you can see from the Veterans perspective, you have all Scott's insight of like, what it's like to separate. And so there are ways that you can help to impact on any part of that spectrum. And for a military spouse that goes through all those different things. So, you know, for me, I'm going to have to go through retirement. And I think about that, and it scares me like, I hold on to my military spouse identity so tight and want to continue to make such an impact. But once we're retired, what does that mean? How do I continue to support do I get to continue support, because I'm not active duty anymore. And so that's a little bit of, you know, impostor syndrome coming in and worrying about future things don't really matter right now. That, you know, I always want to struggle things back to career. And one of the things that I like to talk to people about is potential, and a big majority of spouses are female, probably even 80% of the majority are, are female. And one of the things that as females we tend to do is if we don't check all the boxes, that means we can't apply, if we don't check all the boxes, that means that we're not the right person for this job. It's very important to bet on your potential, I think that we don't do enough of that. Men will do that 99% of the time, they don't worry about if they can't, or they can't do it, they do it based on the fact they know they can do it, even if they've never done it before.

Jen Amos: 26:43

That is so true. You're so right about that. And so

: 26:47

we need to learn how to take some of that on to and look at our potential and say, when imposter syndrome creeps in and says you're not the right person for this, to look at what you've done, your accomplishments and go, I've accomplished that. So I have the potential to be able to do that. And even if it doesn't work out, take the lessons learned and adapt and overcome, which is definitely a military thing. adapting and overcoming.

Jen Amos: 27:15

Yeah, definitely. I love that bet on your potential. And there's also I feel like, there's a saying that I feel like can kind of complement that which goes, it's better to ask for forgiveness than permission. You know, sometimes you just have to put yourself out there and see what you're capable of. And, you know, worst thing that can happen, is that it Yeah, you don't do a good job at it. Okay. So like you said, let's take the lessons with that, and then see how we can apply that in something else. I really love that. I think that's really, really good advice. And it's not like anything is set in stone. Also, I think there's this illusion that that we're all, like, we all, we all already know what our strengths are, what our weaknesses are, but sometimes you won't know you'll discover that as you go. And that's really what life is about. It's just going for it. And yeah, and I also like that you circle it back to career, considering, you know, what you do in HR, and understanding that it's all we can do all the only thing that we can, I think guarantee is pursuing our potential and seeing like what that could be. Yeah, you know, I, I feel like I have to think about that more. But I hear what you're saying. And I think that's very encouraging for, you know, for military spouses who are struggling with imposter syndrome, or maybe, you know, kind of losing trying to find that balance between, you know, being independent, to being dependent. One more thing I wanted to add to that is one thing that I learned to like the fact that we mentioned earlier on in this interview, that I juggle a lot of things that I like to start new projects, I think it kind of also relates to like, how do military spouses identify themselves, but with their career or what, you know, being as a military spouse, I think you can actually be at all I know, it sounds a little ridiculous, but I think it can be an all and it all comes down to what you put on your calendar. You know, there could be some times like you can reserve the weekends to yourself. You can be a military spouse, you know, during the week, like you can you know, schedule like I think I think it just comes down to like, how do you want to sort like how do you want to organize your time so that you could be you know, dutiful military spouse, you could be pursuing your career, you could be taking care of the kids. And you could you could be doing whatever else you want to be doing as long. As long as you put on the calendar. I think that's the best way to make it possible and not feel like you're losing yourself or you have to pick between the two. You know what I mean?

: 29:36

I definitely do. So. Five was Veterans Day. And for me, like I was like, Okay, this is what we're gonna do. The oldest one has to go to karate camp. I paid for him to have extended chronic camp. The little one goes today to care for the day. I got I'm going to work a half day and then I'm going to go home after that and spend the rest of the time before the kids come home with my husband to celebrate him as a veteran. Huh, so I was able to do all of those things, to feel like I had that time with him to show my husband, hey, I appreciate your service. Without your service, I wouldn't be able to hold this title of military spouse. And so I was able to do everything I needed to do in a day. And not everything at work got done. But the important things got hit. And our we got to spend that time independently together. And later on in the evening, we had dinner with our kids, like, everything that I wanted to do, everybody was supported. And I hit all the boxes that I would say, are part of the TIA, you know, character.

Jen Amos: 30:38

Yeah. Beautiful, beautiful. Yeah, sometimes I feel like even though I'm not a military spouse, I feel like Scott is sucking the life out of me. Because

: 30:49

because of everything we're doing, you know, because the majority of the stuff we do is for, quote unquote, our business. But it's really like his vision, right? Like, it's, it's, it's because of his vision that our business is possible. And so that's why I like cling on to like the projects that I get to call mine. And I get to reserve those times, like, I actually reserve evenings to myself. And so whenever I feel like I'm losing myself, I'm reminded that, oh, I could just put on the calendar and put time for myself again, you know, just kind of like how, at the end of the year, I'm going to travel back home to California and, you know, just have time to myself and reconnecting with my friends and family. And you know, getting that reminder of who I am outside of my relationship with Scott. So

: 31:30

it's so important, it really is, I think, for us not only putting that time for yourself independently as far as like a recharge and the self care, but also investing in yourself to grow. I've been bad about this, and I need to do it, I want to get a mentor, because I tend to give a lot of myself to other people. But then I'm not pouring back another cup to get me to the next level that I need to be at. And so sometimes my imposter syndrome will show up and like you're not doing enough, which is something you hit on, or you're right at the ledge of something else, that's great, you want to do more, but you haven't pushed yourself enough or you don't understand how to push yourself to the next point. And I think a lot of it has to deal with not having a mentor to help guide me and groom me to the next step. And so I think that's really an important part of overcoming impostor syndrome, when you're trying to do things like especially from like, we've said, You've had a lot of entrepreneurs on the show, and talk about entrepreneurship. But I think, from a self care standpoint, and to help yourself grow, it's great to read books, and it's great to listen to podcasts and all those great things. But I think sometimes you need to talk it out with somebody and you need them pushing you and holding you to a deadline to help yourself go to the next level.

Jen Amos: 32:50

Yeah, yeah, definitely. I think part of the impostor syndrome is lacking that belief in yourself. And so if you do lack that belief, you hire someone who's going to believe in you. So I think that's really awesome. And that you're self aware enough to know that that's what you need in your life to, you know, to reach the goals that you want to reach. Definitely. Well, Tia, awesome. I think we had such an incredible conversation today. I appreciate you taking the time to talk about, you know where you're at in life today as an HR professional, and what you're doing for the military spouse community, and being able to talk about a topic that I think many people may actually be uncomfortable talking about, which is the imposter syndrome. I'm very glad to have had this conversation with you. And hopefully what we talked about today will be of benefit to our listeners. Before we go Do you have any closing thoughts for us, Tia?

: 33:44

Really, I think it's just keep pushing forward. I think it's very easy to get stagnant and not know what to do or just start to doubt yourself and get in that spiral of imposter syndrome. But if you can keep pushing forward, learn the lessons along the way. That'll keep you in a position of always growing and really that's what we want to do we always want to be a better version of the person that we are today. Yeah, that's really my closing thoughts.

Jen Amos: 34:14

Beautiful. And if anyone wants to learn more about dependent work or wants to get a hold of you, how can they do that?

: 34:22

Instagram is a great place I feel like visually people can look at it and determine if the topic something they want to dig into more. So look for independent dot work on Instagram. The other place that if you want to learn more about me from a professional standpoint, is LinkedIn. I'm on LinkedIn under to prevail. If when you go to connect with me, I always challenge everybody to send a note and tell me where you you encountered me whether that's from my instagram or from this podcast. Just leave a little note in there so that that way we can connect on a deeper level.

Jen Amos: 34:51

Beautiful. And listeners if you did not get that don't worry. I'll include that in the show notes because I'm super generous like that. With that Sid, we hope that you have gained another piece of resource or education for you to continue to hold down the fort to thank you so much for being with us today and to our listeners as well. And we look forward to speaking with you the next episode. Tune in next time.

Unknown Speaker: 35:14

Thanks bye guys.